(I have decided, at the suggestion of an individual, to not specify what "denomination" or other such things that I am referring to in this post. This may be my last post regarding that fellowship (I'm not committing to that just yet, but it is on my mind for consideration.) I do not want to bring reproach or dishonor to this religious fellowship or on any of the "staff" in any way. I just want to express what I see with as much evenhandedness as I possibly can. If it upsets you, I recommend that you not read it, that you not print it, that you not pass it around and that you ignore it. If you decide to read it and think it is divisive and you print it or recommend it or pass it around or tell others about it then it is you who are choosing to be divisive. Make a good choice in this matter. If in doubt, remove this website from your "favorites" list. Flee from that which causes you to sin.)
Last night at the “Leaders” meeting at our local congregation an “interesting” thing took place. What I would call a “lynch mob” of about 20 or so people showed up (they would sincerely disagree with that description). (We have about 160 in attendance each week so I guess you could say that about 12.5% of our members showed up for the purposes of the lynching.) Several were carrying papers (I think of my blog posts) and they had fire in their eyes. I think their purpose was to get me disfellowshipped and to chastise our preacher (or get him fired). No one specifically stated that. I just came to that conclusion by what I observed during the meeting and I acknowledge that I may be totally wrong about that perception.
I just happened to be there because I felt like the Leaders were only being shown one side of my blog and I wanted to show them another side. I had spent several hours in the afternoon accumulating many of your comments (my dear readers) so that I could show them that much good was coming out of my blog. Many people were being encouraged by it. Some were being inspired to study more. I printed out a twelve pages of the compiled comments for each of them and handed them out to the Leaders at the meeting.
I also mentioned that the Bible Study at my house after church had been doing wonderful things and that we weren’t bashing anyone and that several people had said it was the highlight of their week. Many were being “filled”. I told the Leaders that several other members of the congregation had been counseling people to not go to our Bible study. I said that I didn’t think the people doing it had thought about it in terms that they were discouraging people from studying the Bible but that it, to me, seemed like a dangerous practice to be doing so and that it should stop.
Then, as I started to leave, someone in the mob asked me some question about why I was doing something or why I believed something (I can’t remember what, specifically) and so I answered it. It was immediately followed by another question and answer. It continued on for about 45 minutes or so. At first I was thinking that this might be a good opportunity to explain how my blog was such a great opportunity for many of us to discuss important topics---how I personally saw it as a ministry. Anyone can post a comment at any time of the day. They can do it anonymously if they want and then I could respond at my convenience. Then, they could respond at their convenience. They didn’t want to hear anything of it.
I also mentioned that, because of my blog, my life was laid bare as far as where I stood (and why) on all of these Biblical issues. I told them that I thought it would be such a healthy thing if we all laid out our positions (and why we held them) so openly and that it would help us know each other better. But that didn’t seem to make a big impression with them.
Instead, they were furious with me. They felt like I was making fun of them and of the Leaders of the church and of the church in general. They felt like I wanted to write a new and improved Bible (May 14 “Improving the Bible”). I told them that I was being facetious with that post and that I did not want to revise the Bible but that I was trying to point out how we have sometimes, with our actions, revised the Bible without writing it down and that we should stop that. They said that “No, You said you wanted to write a new Bible.”
They said that I wanted everyone to clap and that I wanted to bring in instrumental music. I told them that I’ve never said either one of those things (many shook their head disapprovingly at that). I said that I wanted anyone who wanted to clap their hands to feel free to clap their hands without fear of condemnation by anyone else. I said that I do not want to bring in instruments and that I strongly prefer Acappella singing (for those of you in Rio Linda, that means singing without an instrument). I just didn’t want us to be condemning anyone who uses instruments and I didn’t think God cared if we use instruments if he has our hearts (but I do not and I never have wanted to bring instruments into our worship services). They said that if I think it’s okay to have them then it is the same thing as me wanting to bring them in.
They said that I was making fun of our Leaders with my blog (May 30, “Shortcut”) and insulting them. I told them that I was not making fun of them but was pointing out a very real way to become a leader in our particular fellowship but that this method did not apply to any one person in particular but that it was an actual way that one could become a Leader. My goal was to point out how someone earnestly seeking to study the word who was seeing things differently from the traditional ways was being bypassed for the Leadership because they didn’t fit the traditional mold. They were being “divisive” because they didn’t follow the party line. They said it was an insult to our Leaders. One of our Leaders said it is only an insult to someone if it applies to them. He had to repeat it several times but I’m not sure they understood what he meant. This was not an insult to a genuinely qualified Leader. It was an effort to get us to think about how and who we choose to lead.
One of the leaders, apparently frustrated with all the attacks on me, said “What do you want us to do with him (meaning me)?” About 10 or more people answered at the same time. Some said, “stop him.” Some said, “Disfellowship him”. One said, “Kill him.” It was pretty sad.
I said, “If I stop coming here, where should I go?” I also said, “If I start worshiping on my own and some others come and join me, are you going to accuse me of dividing the church?” Some said, “Yes!” and others said, “You’ve already divided the church.”
Someone said, “Show me the verse in the Bible where it says we can clap.” I said that it’s not something I can explain in a moment but that I had written extensively about how I had come to that conclusion on my blog.” They interrupted me while saying, “I don’t know how to use a computer.” I offered to print it off and bring it to them and study with them about it. They said they didn’t want to do that. “Just show me the verse that says it is okay to clap.”
Multiple times I offered to print off any article anyone wanted and that I would be happy to discuss with anyone about any of the topics I’ve written about, but no one---not one person wanted to study with me about even one topic. They just wanted me to stop “dividing the church”.
They said that the Leaders had told me to stop my blogging and that we are supposed to obey our Leaders and make their job a joy. (I’m sure this lynch mob was accomplishing that purpose during this vicious meeting but the Leaders must have been disguising their joy at this time because it was not readily apparent.) I said that at a meeting with the Leaders when I had resigned as a sub-leader that they had met with me and that they had told me they didn’t like my blog and that they thought I should stop it and that I had told them I would consider it but had decided that it was serving a good purpose so I continued it. One Leader stated that they had asked me to stop but had not “commanded” me to stop it.
Then, one of the Leaders pulled out my ‘resignation from the sub-leadership position’ letter from about 6 months ago and said that I had already withdrawn myself from them. He read it and then repeated that I had already withdrawn myself from them. I said that I had resigned from my sub-leadership position, not from the church.
They also attacked the preacher in all this and wanted to know where he stood on all this. He tried to explain to them about the Greek word for worship which implied that clapping would be okay, but they pretty much shouted him down. They asked him what I thought about my views on the issues and he told them that he agreed on some and disagreed on some and had stated as much to me and to the Leaders. I said that he and I have had many discussions and that we don’t always agree but that we still love each other and accept one another.
I stated that only two of the individuals in that room had ever contacted me personally about any of this (as the Bible commands in Matthew). I stated that one gentleman had contacted me (he had told me that he didn’t want to comment online but would comment by telephone that he didn’t like the part of my blog that dealt with the church but that he liked the other parts of my blog.) I also pointed out that one lady had responded to me in the comment section of my blog and that I thought that was awesome and that I respected her for that. I felt like we were having a great discussion about important matters and it was benefiting many to be able to follow our discussion. She said that the last time she had commented was about a month ago and that she had decided that it wasn’t the best way to handle these matters. Personally, I think it is a mighty good way and was benefiting many people on both sides of the issues in a positive way.
Then, one of the Leaders said that he had also talked to me twice. I said that yes we have talked but that I was the one that initiated those meetings and that that was what I was referring to was about how many people initiated the contact with me—and that was just 2 of the 20 or so and the preacher and I had visited many times.
We went round and round on several issues and it was obvious that there was much animosity towards me (and the preacher). I tried my best to reason with them and to diffuse some of the anger and I think I got it down from the 110% where it started, to about a 108.5% anger factor by the time I left. I tried to be a courteous and reasonable as I could but it seemed to make little difference. They were out for blood. It was beyond their understanding that my heart could have been sincere in my efforts to make us be what God wants us to be. They just scoffed at the notion. They could have hurt my feelings. Their attitudes did make me sad---"no disagreements allowed in this church".
This is the third such mob scene that has taken place in this church in the fourteen years that I’ve been a part of this congregation. The mob has been composed of many of the same people every time. I had nothing to do with the first mob scene, which was against a former preacher. The second mob scene was against the next preacher and (to some degree) me and my “false teaching”. After the Leaders asked that preacher to resign (which he did) these people then turned on the Leaders and asked for them to all resign. At the time I pointed out that even if you don’t like the Leaders, God put them in the leadership position over the local congregation and that if you could not, in good conscience, work under them, then you should find another leadership where you could worship. It’s not up to you to demand their resignation. So, that kind of died down.
At the time of this grueling ordeal, at least a couple of us warned the Leaders that if they let this mob mentality rule, that it was like rewarding them for being a mob and that they would do it again some day if it looked like they were not going to get their way. The leaders said they would not let that happen. In fact, they said that if another mob comes in that they would make them come see the Leaders one (dissenter) at a time (or one couple at a time). I think they forgot that they had said that because they were allowing the mob mentality to flourish in this meeting.
Anyway, as predicted, it’s back again.
(After I left the meeting, it is my understanding that it was the preachers turn to be the target. I think he took about as many hits as I did, though I’m not sure exactly what happened since I didn’t see it first hand. I do know that he and his family were very hurt by it. His wife and daughters and son were very distraught and crying because of the brutal attack that was felt by their husband and father. It must be torture to be a preacher some times. Unfortunately, it was a scene I’ve witnessed twice before.)
It will be interesting to see what the Leaders do this time. Are they going to disfellowship me for putting my thoughts online? Are they going to let me stay if I take my thoughts off line? Are they going to let me teach a class if they let me stay. Am I going to be allowed to express my beliefs regarding instrumental music and clapping in a classroom setting? Am I going to be allowed to lead singing in which there might be some hand-clapping songs? How far will they go in allowing diverse opinions to be expressed (or squelched)? Do they want to start down that treacherous path of “thought” control or “speech” control? Or do they want to lead us down the path of freedom and diversity and acceptance and loving each other in spite of our differences?
On the other side of the coin, are they going to reinforce the lynch mob mentality? Are they going to reward it with giving it the results it desires? (If so, it guarantees a repeat performance (just like before) at some date down the road.) Or are they going to put a stop to it? (Even if the Leaders agree with the complaints of the mob, I believe it would be a mistake to allow the mob mentality to go unchecked.)
One of the comments on one of my blogs related (in advance) to what happened last night. It nailed it when it said:
5 Your leaders are not in a position to appease either side of the bridge. But somehow the wrong spiritual character has been cultivated among you all for a very long time. Your spiritual leaders must give all their energy to bringing those traits to repentance, since they are accountable for your souls. They probably should avoid the issues raised here in this blog until they deal swiftly with the sinful attitudes and actions that are being unleashed in their flock.
6 Apparently your leaders think that conflict is resolved by the passing of time, since we read nothing in your blog (other than the fairly irrelevant Elder's Lesson) about any plan they have to reconcile their sheep. And from their lesson outline, which you posted, it appears that they think education will change peoples' hearts. Those who harbor sin must be called to repentance. Certainly these issues should be studied, but in a field of grace and generosity, rather than suspicion and demand. More important the spirit of unity is cultivated by the spiritual development of humility, love, forgiveness, and sacrifice.
God bless you all in this struggle. May his Spirit reign while our will diminishes.
Written by: Anonymous at 2007- 09:41:24
Another comment seemed to foretell of last nights events as well. It says:
Dennis, this is an important discussion you press for the sake of our future. May you continue to dwell in the spirit of unity and humility while you endure shame and slander. I pray that God will guide you all through this for His kingdom's sake. This post makes it clear that this is not just a discussion, but that there are very real spiritual battles going on. Without good leadership there will be casualties. If your shepherds refuse to confront sinful attitudes, you will be made the scapegoat and good people may be damaged.
Written by: disciple at 2007/08/14 - 11:33:38
So, the ball is now in the Leader’s court. I ask that God’s blessings be on them as they prayerfully walk this very tight rope. The future of this church is at stake. I ask that you pray for them and for all of us at this time and for all the churches who are going through a similar crisis. Sincerely, Dennis
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